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Update bpmn-coverage.md #4155

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@aleksander-dytko aleksander-dytko commented Aug 14, 2024

We support Data Object and Data Store in Modeler + for execution. This needs to be reflected in bpmn-coverage

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We support Data Object and Data Store in Modeler + for execution. This needs to be reflected in bpmn-coverage
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While we allow processes with DataObject and DataStore, we don't really support these BPMN concepts. We simply don't use them in the execution.

I'm not confident in saying that we provide coverage for these concepts. I believe this would require using DataInput and DataOutput for Activities like Service Tasks. Instead, we just don't break when BPMN models contain DataObject and DataStore, but they are not actively used in the execution of the model.

IMO, we should discuss this with other BPMN experts before merging.

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@korthout thanks for sharing your opinion.

@saig0 @nikku could you support us here to define what would be needed so that we can claim we support Data store and data object elements?

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nikku commented Aug 14, 2024

@saig0 @nikku could you support us here to define what would be needed so that we can claim we support Data store and data object elements?

TLDR: Data stores, input and output have always been modeling only from Camunda's perspective, in C8 and C7. We don't support any of the "data features" beyond modeling (for documentation purposes) that the BPMN standard defines.


BPMN implements data on two layers:

  • Visual, i.e. data stores and data objects, documentation only
  • For execution (+visual) using IO mappings (data input, and data output)

The later one is a direct competition to our own data mappings (both C7 and C8).

An answer to our users could be to mark them as supported (*) with the disclaimer that this includes "modeling only/for documentation" and that we do not support IO-mappings as defined in the BPMN standard.


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Let me know when you're ready for final review @aleksander-dytko 👍

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akeller commented Aug 26, 2024

@aleksander-dytko - nudging you on this docs PR.

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@aleksander-dytko Ready for final review here? 😄

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akeller commented Sep 23, 2024

@aleksander-dytko what's the status of this PR?

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Followed up with Aleksander on Slack and I'm going to help refactor this PR to include Nico’s suggestion (disclaimer for modeling only).

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@aleksander-dytko I've incorporated a disclaimer for DataObject and DataStore -- if this looks good to you, I will backport.

@@ -140,15 +140,19 @@ import CompensationSvg from './assets/bpmn-symbols/compensation.svg'

## Data

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`DataObject` and `DataStore` are supported by Camunda for modeling purposes only. Camunda does not support any additional data features the BPMN standard defines.
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We could also frame this as "we don't support BPMN standard IO mappings (but of course allow you to map IO (in our very simple, CAmunda style) [link to our documentation for that]". This may read as "We do not support data features".

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How about "DataObjectandDataStore`, like other BPMN standard IO mappings, are supported by Camunda for modeling purposes only."? We could leave out "Camunda does not support any additional data features the BPMN standard defines."

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Whoops I think we forgot about this @nikku -- WDYT here? CC @aleksander-dytko

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We could leave out "Camunda does not support any additional data features the BPMN standard defines."

Yea, we could leave it out, or link to our own support for I/O. Probably easiest to leave it out.

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christinaausley commented Nov 25, 2024

@nikku This is ready for final review 👍

@aleksander-dytko Should this be backported?

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I am going to go ahead and merge this. If needed, can backport in a separate PR. CC @aleksander-dytko as I know he is OOO.

@christinaausley christinaausley dismissed korthout’s stale review December 9, 2024 15:41

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@christinaausley christinaausley merged commit a700c36 into main Dec 9, 2024
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