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Implementation of a tutorial page helping user onboarding #4549
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What's the status with this one? If it is going ahead is there any chance of seeing a preview of it? |
Hi @SColchester, here is a quick preview of what it looks like. Maybe we can have a discussion here or at the community meetup next week more on what others in the community think about this particular addition: There are 7 questions having a youtube video associated with that question so that users can watch the video if the answer gets wrong or want to know more There will be things needed to be done before we merge this:
What I feel here regarding point no 3 is that since the quiz can be primarily helpful to the users who have just started using Tasking Manager, so adding the quiz link in the welcome email can be the probable option to start with, or popping up a dialog to play the quiz in the first login and then keeping it somewhere inside learn page on a permanent basis. Please feel to suggest some inputs once you see the preview. Thanks for bringing this into the attention! |
Thanks for sharing that extra detail, I can't join either of the collective meetings next week unfortunately - however, I'd love to test this and give feedback on the staging site. Questions will need to be very closely considered and hope we get feedback from a wide range of users here. |
Deploying into the staging isn't that practical right now at this point, as things need to be confirmed before doing that. However, if you would be interested I can list down the questions with associated Youtube videos here. |
Sounds good thanks! |
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Discussion on this issue took place in the Tasking Manager Meet Up session. There was an agreement that a lot more discussion and consultation needs to happen before implementation, given the impact on users. Everyone agreed that Maybe we consult with the training-working-group and see if they can support on the content generation. Some consideration also to note:
An alternative to the tutorial is using a sandbox, which is an alternative option and can be looked at separately and not as a dependency to creating the tutorial. |
I like very much the idea of some sort of an introduction for new mappers that teaches them the basic skills necessary for proper mapping. As a member of the HOT Data Quality Group i took part in the discussion that lead to this feature request. Imo the main aim of it was to solve the problem that many new mappers create bad data. And thus cause a lot of extra work for validators. Sorry, imo the questionnaire presented here does not lead to a solution for this. How then i think should the questionnaire/quiz look like? From my experience as a mapper and validator the basic skills boil down to:
I have still some more thoughts on this, will follow up on later comments here. |
I personally do not see the relevance of these questions in relation to getting a mapper to map buildings correctly. |
A 'quiz' could look like a Captcha a maybe modeled a bit on MapSwipe - i.e. user selects a buildings project and is presented a pop-up that says "Hey, it looks like this is your first Buildings project. Here are some examples of what you might see while contributing to the project..." And given 6 images with a request to "Mark all the images correctly mapped for buildings". If they don't get it right, then point them to a training module (in LearnOSM). The biggest problems we will have here is that many project managers add multiple features to map (though we are trying to address that via on-boarding training, it will still happen as sometimes buildings and residential polygons make more sense to do together; as with waterways and roads, etc. etc.) My biggest suggestion here is whatever is done, it's going to need some A/B testing (i.e. are those who are required to do the quiz/tutorial actually producing a higher quality of mapping or is it really just slowing down most people from doing a decent job without any quiz/training). |
I like very much the suggestion from Russ about A/B testing. I imagine something like comparing 2 different crafted tutorials in 2 comparable projects. And then see what is the result of each. |
Hi, Can we ask if mappers understand how to use the Q button to square rectangular buildings Also do they understand that when they submit task up as mapped the whole task needs to be checked for buildings etc. |
I agree with Ralph, Martien and John. The issues we are trying to get at are about bad mapping, not the sign up process or how to request feedback on changesets, most of which don't get reviewed anyway. I think the questions should focus on those issues. I think a Captcha would be best but might be too hard to implement, so we could use images or other related questions to get at them instead. Some questions could be an image with multiple examples of buildings, some mapped well and some mapped poorly (such as not squared, untagged, way too big, overlapping) and the person has to pick which ones are mapped correctly - such as 1, 3, and 4, and then the answer explains why they are good or bad. Then the next questions could be something like "Is the goal to map as many things as possible, or to map things as accurately as possible" (accurately) "How do you make the corners of a building square or right angle" (right click and square button, or Q), "If there are many buildings in an area should you map them as one large building or multiple buildings" (multiple) and so on. |
Mapswipe has some simple tutorials that are useful |
Also to @Ichchhie and @petya-kangalova 's questions, I think the quiz should be required the first time someone maps. In my experience very few project managers use the optional TM features, such as preset restrictions or things like that. I think just a quiz would be sufficient, and would require less work to build than a sandbox or Captcha style thing. I think the issue is that people often don't get sufficient training, even in events, so this would make sure they get the bare minimum. I also think training WG or data quality WG could do a few trial runs with new mappers and the questions and see how the feedback is. |
As a validator I agree that the questions should be more focused on how to correctly map buildings. I really like aawiseman's idea about picking images how the buildings should and should not be mapped. |
Repetition is the key to learning (so they say), so a way to offer the quiz again (preferably on a somewhat more advanced level) if mappers are more experienced would be great. How about a reward for those that pass the quiz? Eg a badge on the TM or Slack account? Crowd2Map has something similar already in place. So that could serve as an example. |
For example, something like this. A few pictures with why they are correct or wrong, and then afterwards with what it should look like. Does this building look correct? Does this building look correct? Does this building look correct? Does this building look correct? |
@royallsilwallz - since the issue has been lying around for a while, for you to review and share details on what we can use from here? |
cc @varun2948 |
Issue: #4537
Feature: A tutorial page that runs an interactive quiz together with the videos from https://tasks.hotosm.org/learn/.